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This is the fundamental truth that the people who are slowly waking up are most frightened of; the State, 'democracy' is the cause of all their troubles, not the solution in any way shape or form.
or just a regular country of laws
@EsCurve Define "regular"?
People make rules amongst themselves regardless of whether there is a governing body passing statutes.
@elthe as he stated, the incentive is conflict avoidance. he states there is no public space, all property is private eliminating need for public and private laws causing imbalances of protection. power consolidation is addressed by the market(i.e) if the purchasers of securities see a threat in consolidating power they could in turn respond by choosing a competitor of perceived less threat. i think you should listen again, and i dont mean that in a rude or sarcastic manner.
@elthe I'll reword your comment to speak about statism: What about individuals who aren't protected by govt police? What about wars and WMDs started/made by govt? What about power consolidation in hands of the very same govt that makes, enforces and interprets the law? What about govt agencies that pop up whose primary goal is looting and aggression? And what about protection from the govt in general – public or private space? A command/statist economy may be simpler but not moral 🙂
@elthe "what about protection in public space" There would be no such thing as "public space" – streets, parks and squares would be owned by individuals or groups of individuals (probably organized as corporations). Think security personnel in Disney World, private security guards at stores, etc.
@LetsTryLiberty Good one 🙂
@TheLegalImmigrant05 To those who ask what motivation would anyone have to public goods/services, I ask:
What's the motivation for selling pet rocks?
What's the motivation for selling funeral/burial services for pets?
What's the motivation for selling those copper bracelets that supposedly heal you?
The answer? The perception that there will be a demand for them. If govt didn't exist, you really think nobody'd figure out how to privately provide formerly publicly-provided goods and services?
@LetsTryLiberty I wasn't asking 🙂 But I like your answers
@TheLegalImmigrant05 I know you weren't asking, but I thought I'd throw that out there before you received any replies. It is so ingrained that current publicly-provided utilities, goods and services would disappear and forever be lost to mankind if it weren't for the benevolent government taking our money from us at the threat of taking away our property, freedom or life (your choice, depending on your degree of protest) to fund them. Civil society in the 21st century could never do better 😉
I'm an anarcho-capitalist, but one problem has been bugging me so I am wondering what other people think would and should take place in a society of private law. A person should be allowed to produce whatever he wants assuming he does not interfere with anyone else's rights. This being said, would a person be allowed to own an atomic bomb? Would a private law society deal with this danger preemptively or would the average Joe be allowed to buy/produce an atomic bomb?
@elthe War is aggression among states so technically in a private law society it wouldn't exist. As for the appearing of agencies whose primary goal is looting aggression, it would be dealt in the same way gangs are dealt with today. Protection in public space is a common sense answer in my opinion, if you understand anarcho-capitalism. A person would be allowed to protect himself and private contractors would do whatever they could to protect their clients. WMDs is a question I have asked too.
@Moragauth Just letting you know in case you didn't notice, but if you were trying to reply to someone, for some reason you replied to yourself.
@RKAddict101 Rothbard thought that WMDs are not libertarian as it's impossible to use such weapons against specific individuals (e.g. laser gun is OK but A-bomb is not). They are predominantly statist weapons. Having said that, I think that anyone trying to get or build a WMD would be boycotted, not cooperated with and pretty much outlawed from an ancap society. It may be legal as they would be just using their property without aggressing, but people would perceive it as a potential threat.
@rumco That's a good answer, another thing that got me thinking of was how the State itself is untrustworthy when it comes to WMDs. The government is just an association of persons, just as those individuals can do wrong, so can individuals in an anarcho-capitalist society. Which then brings up your point, which actually could be a pro for anarcho-capitalist societies, in that people would oppose WMD creation.
@RKAddict101 Yes. The only difference is that the State is viewed as legitimate and a private criminal is not. That's why it (State agents) gets away with WMDs, taxes, etc.
Being a gun luv'n, Iraq vet I find the economic theory of free market private contract security just fascinating. And if given the option would entrepreneur my own company.
very interesting. One question: if the protector acquires the assets of the protected by force, what do you do? You hire a second protector to protect you from the first one? And if the protectors join forces and control the protected what happens then?
It makes since to me for dam sure
Try not to get too frustrated.. We are going to need you in the intellectual battlefield, pace yourself
The speech is titled State or Private Law Society by Hoppe. The text is available at mises . org
The smartest living creature on earth.
sort of what we have now. one government that can take your goods when ever they want and how ever they want. The only thing is if we have smaller and smaller protection agencies there is less of a chance that one will be able to take over everything. But what hoppe is discussing is an alternative to what we have now. Currently, we have one protection agency…. The governement and its agents. There is no one to protect you from those people, and we have seen the effects of this situation.
This guy's book "Democracy the God that failed" is one of the best books I've ever read, and it completely changed my views of our government here in the US, from where I used to be a constitutionalist, conservative, limited government, Ron Paul supporter, and hard core free marketer to a RP supporter in his efforts to educate people, an anarcho capiltalist, and a sovereign person who looks at all governments as a band of thieves writ large, the US government included!!!
Hans-Hermann is the 37th chamber.
Debating Dr. Hoppe on economics or political science is like debating Spock on warp drive.
That is why the Founding Fathers said, WE THE PEOPLE ARE THE GOVERNMENT. But, WE THE PEOPLE are ASLEEP IN THE LIGHT. GOD SENT REVIVAL NOW.
This man is incredible.
I posted a link to this recently on a vid with a ton of leftists attacking libertarianism and the private law society. I challenged them to watch this, and then cite specific parts that did not stand to scrutiny.
It's been two days, and needless to say, no one has taken up the challenge. Instead, everyone over there keeps making their vociferous, emotionally laden attacks, and I've been threatened with getting my YouTube account blocked 😉
I have a question, there is a moment in the video in which Hoppe says that in a private law society, security and police forces would be private, that said, if for example as he said, a security company started using its forces in a bad way, they would be stopped, but by who? The population and/or other security agencies?
Also, wouldn't be a risk that some security agencies partnered so then they could control take control of a very dangerous issue as security or even use their forces together to coerce the population (sorry if this sounds like natural monopoly stuff)?
they will need to be removed, so to speak… #reallibertarianism
excellent analysis, however i disagree with his initial premise that conflict will not occur between crusoe and the other without scarcity. what about ideological motivations? perhaps they are of different religions? i do not agree that conflict is inherently tied to scarcity.
…and then along comes another random society with a hierarchical order and an internal military monopoly and just nukes the shotgun-wielding small-timers into the history books. It's a wonderful idea, but too oblivious to the fact that history is a dark, brutal place. The history of the world is the history of mafias competing for peasants. Always will be. The only alternative is having only one mafia globally, not competing with anyone, devoid of incentives to perform well for its sheep. Hope we never see that day.
The absolute best intro to anarchocapitalism I have ever seen.
16:58 "The State must first produce beds such as Texas". The subtitles are priceless. Excellent presentation of ancapism nonetheless.
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