Efrat (West Bank settlement) self-determination Let’s say the Italians conquer Israel and say “We are the Romans” “we want our land back” What do you think of that? Eyal
Tel Aviv I think the Italians don’t really
have a reason to conquer Israel Why? It belonged to them for
three hundred years True, but let’s look at it as… they want to be an empire
and they are now Italy so there is no reason and to get to us is to cross
Lebanon, Syria, Turkey I doubt they would….
It would be bad What? Are you comparing that to us? The person asking is Palestinian So let me and he asks why we have
the right to do the same thing I don’t think we have more right than him
or more right than the British who were here or the Ottoman This is land I think everyone has to live somewhere and many years ago they divided
this land I think there were many problems but let’s be free from what happened 70 years ago and create a new… There is enough land there is enough food for everyone We don’t need to fight We need to ease up on religion It’s religion, let’s be real That is the problem now Let’s go with that So let’s say, great. I am a refugee now living in Lebanon a Palestinian refugee I want to return to my place my land in Jaffa To your land in Jaffa?
– Yes, do you agree? I personally don’t think it is a problem
as long as you… Look, I think at some point
you need a statute of limitations for that We have to You understand It’s impossible because we Jews will always
have claims on land all over in Europe, all over the world in Iran We came from all over the world we could go all over the world
and request our land back So, again, instead of looking at the past and run after what you once had you create something with
what you have now look at what you have
and create your own world and it is totally possible It is possible We are all a little crazy let it go a little and live in the end we die If the Italians who were once the Romans came to Israel and said
“this is our land” “from the Roman empire” What would you do? I would fight them Nir
Hod Hasharon Simple So what is the difference
from the Palestinian point of view I understood. It’s the same…
I understood the comparison That’s left wing propaganda I have no… It’s propaganda that came from
someone Arab and Muslim Can you make it more leftist? (sarcasm) You can also see it as
here we created something It’s not like we came and conquered there wasn’t much here before we came Let’s tell the truth
there was nothing here The Italians and the Romans
were busy building they weren’t busy destroying like
our neighbours the Palestinians What do you mean “destroy”?
Give an example Ofer
Hod Hasharon The first immigrants coming to Israel
in the 1880s were busy for 70-80 years building the state of Israel and the state of Israel received
independence in 1948 from 1948 until today,
the Palestinians have not brought any proposals nothing to improve their situations Like they were in 1948,
they stayed the same until today they haven’t improved in anything So they are busy destroying and fighting instead of building something That’s it You haven’t been to Ramallah
but there is a city there that they built True, they built it
and a city of Ramallah is good but industry, high tech….
– True They need to diversify How are Palestinians any different than
any country in the region? How do they show the countries around
us that they are different? They don’t
They behave exactly the same as Syria or Egypt or Lybia or any other place They only take weapons and
fight people They had an opportunity to establish a country (Oslo Accords) Olmert offered them 90%? 94% I think and nothing happened with that I don’t know why Either they left it or they didn’t… It didn’t happen They need to ask themselves
why it didn’t happen If the Italians who were the Romans would want to reconquer Israel saying “this is our land” “we are allowed” No
– Why? What do they have to do in Israel? They have nothing to do here Maybe spaghetti They barely get by in their land
what do they need with ours? Mordechai and Morris
Jerusalem This land is ours, not theirs – What?
It is our land Wow, what they would do to them We will throw them out Anyone who comes to attack us
we will throw out? We are strong Why don’t the Italians have the right to conquer this country? Because they were Romans and
this was their land once I think they should conquer It is their’s, no? So yes?
– Yes Ofer
Tel Aviv Better than the Palestinians Why better? I want to live in Italy Ariel
Jaffa “Canaanite Zionism” Balfour declaration Do the Italians have the right to
take the Roman empire back? What are you saying? There was here the Roman Empire, right? Dorron
Haifa What does that mean?
To reconquer all that land? with armed force like the Romans
did to half the world’s population? The answer is no of course Why? My answer is why would they It’s not like it was that great I don’t really understand the question The person asking is Palestinian so why do the Jews have the right
to take their land back? Ok, that’s a better question the historical parallel is not very good it is like asking if the Romans
can go back to Rome The question is… Why is there a difference? If the Romans conquered this land and the Jews did too, no? Yes, the question is the use of violence I think the use of violence
is invalid in any case If it wasn’t through violence, somehow It’s not somehow, historically the people who bought the land here
and settled it was non-violent and different The war of 1948? That’s a war with violence True With two sides (contributing) There is a difference between the
Romans reconquering all their land